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Hello Mr. John G.!

just wanted to write you about how amazing your OP manual is and how much it has helped me learn instead of trial and error!
I was a truck mounted cleaner for 6 years or so, basically a heavily modified Cleanco with a 47 blower that was boosted reaching closer to a 56's cfm :P and a propane heater....

Until one day it broke down, out of town ( of course ) and at night. Happened to have a jug of prochem encap incase this ever happend...boy was that chem junk, but i could see how well it cleaned with just my rotary machine. So i started researching this more...ran across your on kleenkuips forum...and ALWAYS having an answer to MR.Steamer and Nightrider

I dont know how many times i read those posts! So i officially sold my TM a few months back, strickly OP now!
(Dont hate me) but i got a too good of a deal to pass up and purchased an orbot. The great thing about OP cleaning is how cheap the machines are compared to HWE setups, so im very much so looking forward to this " new machine " your currently working on in secret !

For now anyway, noticed your pad driver is a much differant set up then mine and only makes sence that yours is better, on watching the video on your site, looks like its the same bolt pattern, do you happen to know if i can purchase your driver assembly and bolt it onto my machine?


In your manual you talk about cleaning resturaunts and using ALLOT of pads. I have about 15 resturaunts i could quite easily attain shortly..but i dont want to attack them just yet ( due to not having many pads) So i was thinking of purchasing a stemon demon just to use in resturaunts to aid in pick up ...and then OP after ? Think thats a good idea? OR for that matter make my own steamon demon it seems so darn basic lol.

Your gladiator pads are simply the best ive used, and ive demo'd every pad so far!
The brat in your used section has been tempting me for months now ! lol Soon if its still there im going to pick it up.

Anywho look forward to hearing back from you!
have a great day John.

~Dustin

PS. loved the article you did over for LMCCA on " effects of vlm cleaning over an extended period of time) i so agree it just makes HWE look good and thats it.

LONG live OP!

Thanks for all of your help over the last couple of days. It didn’t kill us, it only made us all stronger. The machine worked perfectly with a couple of adjustments to some screws to be tightened and we cleaned all but 3 bedrooms within in 20 minutes. Old blue would be been 45 minutes to an hour. I will be doing the stairs/steps later today to try out the step son. Tell your team I said thanks for walking me through. As you know, I don’t fix anything, I replace it.

Cedric

Posted by Robin on July 22, 2010
I own both the Orbot and the Brute machines and after having used both extensively I feel I may be able to give a fair and unbiased review. My first machine is the Brute and I bought the Orbot as I am selling my business and wanted to sell it with a new machine and thought the Orbot would look more impressive. I bought the Orbot with the spayborg system and it was over $4000 in Canada, The Brute is a little over $3000 as I recall. The price differance is not a big deal to me as long as the machine makes money in the long run, a $1000 is diddly to me.

When it first arrived my first immpresion was 'wow' what a beauty obviously I thought, very well made but I did notice the cord wrap sticking out the side of the handle and thought that will probably hit a wall or desktop somewhere and cause problems. It did that the first job I used it on so I hacksawed it off, not too well thought out in my opinion. The second thing I noticed was that the 3 gallon jugs that fit into the sprayborg would not fit well and after struggling with it a few times I cut a relief in it and opened it up so the jugs would easily change out. I have decided I do not like this system and would rather pour into a solution tank as the Brute does, I find it faster and simpler and simple is good. As I used the machine I found the solution switch a little awkward and again I prefer the Brute setup ergonomically. I also find the vertical handles less comfortable than the horizontal style but that is my preferance. Then the handle locks broke, perhaps it shifted in the van but nevertheless break they did and now I realize they will break again, this is a weak point in this machine. They were replaced under warranty however which is good. Then the drive bearing went and this is after 4 months of hardly using it, I would only use it for the occasional commercial job where I would take my wife to help using two machines. I had my local vacuum repair man fix it and he called me into the shop to show me the unorthodox bearing mount system. The cup it sat in was peaned over with a hammer to hold the bearing and he was not impressed with this system. He also pointed out the bearing was not a sealed bearing and felt its exposure to moisture had guaranteed its early demise. So he found a sealed bearing and replaced it with that instead. I didnt bother to try to make a warranty claim, it cost about $100 to fix. The other issue I have with the Orbot is the where the wires connect with those very heavy duty looking screw on things? the wires have been pulling out and I have had to loosen them off push the wires back in and tighten them up again. The top of the motor will bind with the sprayborg attachment in the upright position a couple of times it has really jammed and caused me some grief. You will need to carry a screw driver with you as it is easy to knock the jets out of alignment and you will need to tighten them from time to time. To change your pad you have to adjust the machine to the upright position and as the Brute does not require this I find it annoying. When cleaning I find it feels a little tippy when full almost like it wants to fall back on you, the Brute has a much more solid feeling like the weight is more on the motor where it should be. Because the Orbot is actually longer in the handle it is more awkward in tight quarters and around desks or in bedrooms and the finish really looks blotchy as the solution tends to dribble on the bottom plate and seems to be very hard to keep looking shiny and pretty like when it was new. The handle must be collapsed to put it in my vans and when collapsed it is very vulnerable to again break the aluminum hinge, it is a poor design so keep a few of those on hand, they will break in time. I also find it more not less awkward to put into the van than the Brute. I find the Brute to be the Russian T34 tank of WW2 simple, easy to produce and repair, very reliable and comfortable to operate. The Russians didnt care if the welds should have been ground off and in some cases didnt even paint them, they had a job to do they did it well and simply and in the end they defeated the Germans. The Orbot is the King Tiger, very impressive to look at, sophisticated and technologically advanced, beautiful workmanship every weld ground smooth and a flawless paint job. But finicky, constant breakdowns, difficult to operate and clumsy to maneuver. This is a broad analogy but the point is this, I would buy another Brute, I will never buy another Orbot. Obviously some of these points are my own opinions but this has been my experience but I do not recommend the Orbot. Yes it will clean but the Brute is my choice and I have both.

Robin

WOW, I've thought of this MANY times before,and I think I can honestly say, that my goal as a carpet cleaner, is to have the knowledge that John G. has. To be able to know what method and product to use in what situation, without having to ask, or check manuals. I am totally beneath you John.

I wish you MANY years of great health so that I may learn a fraction of what you know.

I spent 8 years in welding/machine shops trying to learn the trades. The one thing that I learned was that Journeyman welder/machinist's do not want to teach you for fear you may one day take their job.

The thing I've learned as a carpet cleaner, is that total strangers (that you will likely NEVER meet) are willing to give you all the advice and knowledge they have to help you out.
Brent Rolston